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| America and the Challenges of Religious Diversity |
IntroductionRemarks
Questions and Answers
IntroductionJOANNE MYERS: I would like to welcome you to the
third program in our series on the Resurgence of Religion in Politics. Today it
is with great pleasure that we welcome Professor Wuthnow who will be discussing
his book America and the Challenges of Religious Diversity.
For some time now, America has prided itself on being one of the most
religiously diverse nations in the world. Recent waves of immigrants from Asia
and Africa have added millions of adherents of non-western faiths to the
traditional American religious mix, making our nation stand out among all others
as a truly religious melting pot.
In our public discourse, we embrace religious liberty and espouse respect for
our cultural differences, yet there are times when we speak of our country in
very narrow terms and describe it as being a Christian nation, founded on
Christian principles and beliefs. At those times, we neglect to acknowledge that
other beliefs and practices that differ from those embraced by Christianity also
had a profound impact on American culture and our national identity. It is this
concern that our speaker will address this afternoon.
In America and the Challenges of Religious Diversity, Professor
Wuthnow draws on his own research—including hundreds of in-depth interviews—to
take the reader on a journey through the history of religious traditions,
practices, and ideals in America. As religious fervor is reshaping the
identities and actions of an increasingly large number of people, how we think
about these religious differences, how we respond to it and whether we embrace
it, ignore it or merely cope with it, is one of the more important challenges
facing America today.
Our guest will be particularly helpful in clarifying these issues and in
suggesting ways we might meet these challenges. He is a distinguished scholar
who has conducted groundbreaking research on religion in America, including
religion's influence on economics, politics, and the arts and even in
psychology. It is his aim to have each religion come to know itself as one among
many and thereby to better appreciate what it shares with all others.
He has published extensively—almost 200 articles documenting the religious
landscape in America—and has written or contributed to at least 34 books,
including Saving America—Faith based Services and the Future of
Civil Society; and Loose Connections: Joining Together in America's Fragmented
Communities. He has also edited the recent Encyclopedia of Politics and Religion. As you can
imagine, his resume is extensive and impressive.
Professor Wuthnow serves as the president of the Society for the Scientific
Study of Religion and chairs several other notable sociological and religious
associations. Among the editorial boards that he serves on are Contexts, A
journal of the American Sociological Association, and Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion. In
addition, he has acted as principal investigator for numerous studies funded by
the Pew Charitable Trust, the Ford Foundation, the Henry Luce Foundation and the
Aspen Institute.
Most recently he has been involved in directing a Lilly-funded project on
"The Public Role of Mainline Protestantism in America since the 1960s."
Currently he is Princeton University's Gerhard R. Andlinger Professor of
Sociology and director of Princeton's Center for the Study of Religion. Please
join me in welcoming our very distinguished guest, Robert Wuthnow.
Remarks
ROBERT WUTHNOW:
Good afternoon. I appreciate the opportunity to be here this afternoon and
look forward to your comments and questions.
On this anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the New World, it is
well to remember that questions about religious diversity have been with us for
a long time. Columbus was keenly aware of conflicts among Christians, Jews, and
Muslims in Europe at the time he set sail and believed himself to be carrying
out a mission foretold in biblical prophecy. He could not imagine that the
people who came out to meet the Pinta when it approached land on October
11, 1492, already had religious beliefs and practices of their own. He thought
they were devoid of religion and would easily become part of a new Christian
nation in the New World. He saw though the lens of his own convictions.
We have, as we would like to think, come a long way since then, but there is
still a fundamental tension about religion and religious diversity. On the one
hand, the United States has once again become religiously diverse, at least more
so than it was for most of the past century and a half. Muslims, Hindus, and
Buddhists are all more prominent in America than ever before. On the other hand,
many people in the United States believe that only Christianity is true and that
America is—or should be—a Christian nation. Let me give just one example.
A few days after the attacks of 9/11, President Bush visited the Islamic
Center in Washington and in a speech to a joint session of Congress said to
Muslims everywhere, "We respect your faith." A year and a half earlier,
presidential candidate George Bush was reported to have said that only
Christians have a place in heaven. Now, that comment got him into trouble not
only with Jewish leaders but also with his mother. Barbara Bush thought
differently. But this is an example that points clearly to the tension in our
culture about religion and religious diversity. For Muslims—in the United States
or abroad—what would be a reasonable conclusion? That American Christians
respect their faith? That American Christians think only Christianity is true?
Or, possibly, that Americans aren't quite sure what they believe?
What do we believe? I have been studying American religion for thirty years.
I conduct surveys, do interviews in which people talk for several hours about
what they believe, read history, talk to clergy, and visit places of worship. In
1998 my research turned to the question of religious diversity.
Other scholars were studying immigrant groups and mapping the stories of
people at mosques and temples and meditation centers. I was interested in how
the majority population—the Christian population—was responding to the new
diversity. I realized at the start that not everyone has an occasion to meet a
Muslim or think much about Hinduism or Buddhism.
For that reason, I decided to start by talking with people who were, so to
speak, in harm's way. I selected 14 cities, including ones in the Northeast,
South, Midwest, and West, and in each city selected one mosque, one Hindu
temple, one Buddhist temple or meditation center, and for comparison purposes
one synagogue. I secured a research grant that made it possible to send
researchers to each of those 56 sites and to conduct interviews with clergy and
some of the lay members. We then identified the church that was closest to each
of these sites—sometimes right next door, never more than a few blocks away—and
interviewed people at those churches.
We supplemented this information by conducting interviews with people who may
have had other kinds of interreligious dealings: people who said they were
religiously eclectic, community leaders, civil liberties lawyers, judges,
teachers and professors, leaders of interfaith organizations, and people who
were married to a spouse of a different faith. In all, we conducted more than
300 indepth interviews. Then in 2003, we conducted a national survey—a random
sample survey of nearly 3,000 people. We asked people about their contacts with
Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists; about their perceptions of these people and
their religions; and about Christianity and America.
What did we find? Let me begin by mentioning some of the more straightforward
results and then move to some of the larger conclusions that I write about in my
book.
Most Americans are, at one level, tolerant of people who may belong to
religions quite different from their own, such as immigrants or people living in
other countries who may be Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists. Whatever their own
religious beliefs and practices may be, most Americans, for instance, think that
Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists should have the right to worship freely in the
United States. In this way, they are like President Bush when he said to
Muslims, "We respect your faith."
Most Americans even believe that religions other than their own probably
contain truth. For instance, in the national survey, 74 percent of the public
(about three people in four) agreed with the statement, "All major religions,
such as Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam, contain some truth about
God." Respect and tolerance of this kind expresses itself in many ways. For
instance, people may pray a generic, ecumenical prayer over a meal they are
sharing with someone of another faith so as not to offend that person. Or they
hedge what they say about their own faith, so that it sounds more like a
personal opinion than an item of truth. They may follow the old adage that
religion and politics are things you just don't talk about at all in polite
company.
These efforts to be respectful and tolerant, incidentally, come into play
especially around questions of proselytizing. Among the Christian population,
nearly everybody thinks it is important to share one's faith. But this usually
means living a good life and being nice, rather than actually talking to
somebody with the aim of converting them to Christianity.
Conservative evangelical Protestants of course are more likely than other
Christians to say they have talked to somebody to convert them. But when asked
who they talked to, they very rarely say it was a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or
Buddhist. It's usually someone they know who just doesn't go to church, like
their brother-in-law.
This isn't to say that proselytization never happens. Most of the Jews,
Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists we talked to said they had been proselytized at
least once. They remembered it vividly, and it sometimes left them deeply
suspicious of Christians, at least if deception was involved or if it violated
their sense of trust. Still, the dominant picture is that not much proselytizing
is happening. The inclination to do so is muted by norms of tolerance and
civility. The inclination is also muted by a kind of grassroots theology among
Christians that says, in effect, if God wants this person to be saved, God will
somehow figure it out.
Having stressed the pervasiveness of tolerance, I hasten to add, though, that
there is also a chilling reservoir of intolerance toward Muslims and even
toward Hindus and Buddhists. In the survey, 23 percent of the public said they
would be in favor of "making it illegal for Muslim groups to meet in the United
States." Almost that many (20 percent) said it should be illegal for Hindu or
Buddhist groups to meet in the United States. Religious freedom apparently has
its limits.
A larger percentage say it should be "harder for Muslims to settle in the
United States"—38 percent say that. And when it comes to surveillance—to
supporting some of the activities that have become common under the Patriot
Act—the proportions are even higher. For instance, 60 percent say they favor
the U.S. government collecting information about Muslim religious groups in the
United States. About 50 percent say they favor the government collecting
information on Hindu or Buddhist groups in the United States.
A large proportion of Americans also hold negative stereotypes about
non-Western religions. Fifty-seven percent of the public thinks the Muslim
religion is closed minded, 47 percent think Islam is fanatical, 40 percent say
it is violent, and 34 percent say it is backward. Public attitudes toward
Hinduism and Buddhism, though somewhat more favorable, are nevertheless quite
mixed. For instance, 53 percent of the public thinks Hinduism is peace loving
and 63 percent say this about Buddhism. However, about a third of the public
thinks these religions are closed minded. Almost as many think these religions
are backward. And about a quarter regard them as fanatical.
Negative stereotypes may not result in discrimination, but they heighten that
possibility. When asked, "Suppose you had a child who wanted to marry a Muslim
who had a good education and came from a good family," 52 percent of the public
said they would object, with 22 percent saying they would object strongly. When
the same question was asked about a child marrying a Hindu, 47 percent said they
would object, with 15 percent saying they would object strongly.
Another question asked, "Suppose some Muslims wanted to build a large Muslim
mosque in your community"; 41 percent of the public said this would bother them,
with 18 percent saying it would bother them a lot. Thirty-five percent said it
would bother them if Hindus wanted to build a large Hindu temple in their
community. Overall, 42 percent of the public said they would not welcome Muslims
becoming a stronger presence in the United States. About a third said this about
Hindus and Buddhists.
What accounts for these negative responses toward Muslims, Hindus, and
Buddhists? We might suppose that the responses to Muslims at least are fueled by
fears of terrorism. That, however, appears not to be as much of a factor as one
might have guessed. When people who said they were very worried about the threat
of another terrorist attack were compared with those who were less worried or
not worried, hardly any differences were evident in their attitudes toward
Muslims and Islam. That result is also consistent with conclusions drawn from
polls conducted before and after 9/11.
Some of the negative responses toward Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists are
rooted in simple old-fashioned American nativism. For instance, 70 percent of
the public agrees with the statement, "Nothing in other countries can beat the
American way of life." Forty-six percent agree that "Foreigners who come to live
in America should give up their foreign ways and learn to be like other
Americans." Thirty-five percent said they specifically see these new religious
groups as a "threat to our traditional values." Nativism also comes through in
comments about immigrants being bad for our society and, among white Anglos, in
negative attitudes toward Latinos and Asian Americans.
But responses to Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists also reflect the fact that
these are, after all, religious identities, and not simply matters of
ethnicity. Religious differences evoke responses that are deeply rooted in
religious convictions themselves.
Grassroots theology matters. Within Christianity, there is a long tradition
of theological exclusivism—the kind illustrated in the comment I mentioned
earlier about only Christians having a place in heaven. In the survey, for
instance, 44 percent of the public agreed that "Christianity is the only way to
have a true personal relationship with God." Some of the people we talked to
modified that view by saying that Christianity was the best or only way for
them, but wasn't necessarily best for everyone.
My estimate is that about a third of the American public can be classified as
Christian exclusivists. They hold that only Christianity is true, that the
Christian Bible is uniquely the word of God, and that eternal salvation comes
only to those who believe in Jesus. We should not assume that all Christian
exclusivists are bigots. But Christian exclusivism does greatly increase the
chances of holding negative views about Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists.
Statistically, Christian exclusivism has more of an effect on these negative
views than nativism does, or where one lives, or any other standard demographic
characteristic.
Of course Christian exclusivism is also a significant source of
anti-Semitism. One of the women I write about in the book was a Christian
exclusivist and her best friend was Jewish. She said her friend was a lovely
woman, but then she broke into tears talking about how sad it was that her
friend wasn't saved. The Bible says there's only one way, she said. "It's
written a million times—one way, one way, one way."
The other source of Islamophobia and similar negative views is the idea that
America is—always has been and should remain—a Christian nation. This is what we
sometimes refer to as American civil religion. It closely identifies America
with Christianity. For instance, in the survey, 78 percent of the public agreed
that "the United States was founded on Christian principles." Seventy-nine
percent agreed that "America has been strong because of its faith in God."
Seventy-four percent agreed that "in the 21st century, the United States is
still basically a Christian society." And 55 percent agreed that "our democratic
form of government is based on Christianity." Of course a person might agree
with some of these statements simply as descriptive assertions. But there also
appears to be a prescriptive element in these views—one that says in
effect, "Christianity is good for America; let's keep it that way."
I want to move on now to some broader conclusions. My main argument is that
we need to take religion much more seriously in discussions of diversity than we
often do. This is not to say that race, ethnicity, gender, and sexual
orientation are not important. But religious diversity needs to be included in
the conversation.
There are several reasons. One is simply that religious diversity raises
practical issues. Which religious holidays should become school holidays for our
children? What kind of clothing are school children or employees allowed to
wear? Do we serve halal as well as kosher in the cafeteria? Do we amend zoning
ordinances to allow for Muslim prayers or divali celebrations?
Religious diversity also raises constitutional and other legal issues. In the
past, we have considered religion so private that we prohibited the government
from collecting information about it in the U.S. Census (unlike the practice in
England and in many other countries). Since 9/11, we apparently feel it is okay
for the FBI to eavesdrop on what takes place in mosques and temples and even in
churches. Religious diversity certainly becomes a factor in determining how we
think about displaying the Ten Commandments in public places or saying "under
God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
In addition to the practical and legal issues, and perhaps even more
importantly, religious diversity poses very significant theological issues. For
instance, about a third of the American public are what we might call Christian
inclusivists. They are deeply committed to Christianity, but they also
think other religions are true. But what exactly does this mean? If all
religions are true, does one's own become merely an accident of biography, a
matter of convenience? Does one know enough about other religions to have a
considered judgment about their similarities and differences? And, if all
religions are true, what does that imply about nonreligious people? Should
everyone be religious? Or does it really matter?
One would think that the nation's churches might be doing something to
address these questions. In the survey, nearly everybody thought it would be a
good idea to learn more about other religions, and churches might be a safe
place for this to happen. In 99 out of 100 instances, though, churches are doing
nothing. Hardly any of the Christians we interviewed had been in a class or
study group at their church where they tried to learn something about other
religions. At churches located just down the block from a mosque or Hindu
temple, there was hardly ever any contact at all. It was as if everybody was
standing in an elevator politely pretending that the others didn't exist.
All of this raises an important consideration for discussions of American
pluralism. The typical discussion goes like this: Teach people to respect civil
liberties in their roles as citizens, but then let them think whatever they want
about religion as long as they keep it to themselves. In short, the argument is
that people should become bi-level. Which brings us back to the example I
mentioned earlier. Tell Muslims in public that you respect their faith, but
think whatever you want about them not being saved as long as you keep quiet
about it. Unfortunately, that solution just doesn't work. People are never
totally silent about their faith, and, if they were, something about their faith
would be diminished. Yet their private religious convictions, as we have seen,
also deeply affect how likely they are to be tolerant and respectful of
others.
The solution is not to be bi-level, but to become more reflective about the
relationship between the two levels. Whether one is a Christian exclusivist, an
inclusivist, a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, or something else, there are
aspects of one's faith that can actually cultivate tolerance, and not only
tolerance, but understanding of the other. In interview after interview,
Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists said that was what they wanted. Not a thin veneer
of tolerance, not even respect, but understanding. That, in my view, is the
challenge we all face—as people of faith, as citizens, as Americans.
Thank you.
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